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Global weirding with Katharine Hayhoe: Episode 8
Posted on 11 January 2017 by Guest Author
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The Bible says even more.
God made the Garden of Eden for Adam and Eve, but got mad at them and kicked them out to a less hospitibale place: “… cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shall thy eat out of it … in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,…” (Genesis 3.17,19)
And after a few generations He was so mad at mankind that He flooded the Earth. “And God saw the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” (Genesis 6.5) “… and so the Lord said I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; …” (Genesis 6.7)
He later changed his mind for Noah and his family, and promised no more global floods. He made no such promise about heat though.
Could He be mad again, seeing how "well" we have taken care of the Earth and have treated other humans?
Just a wee niggle. Climate change is likely to have a pretty devestating effect on the rich and famous. Think about all that high priced realestate that will be trashed by sea level rise. Think about cities which typically have three days of food within their boarders when there is a massive Northern Hemisphere crop failure. Think about the wall street types that were jumping out of their multi story buildings during the 30's crash. They joy may just possibly be spread around a little more equally than we think.
william@2,
Your "prophecy" does not make any sense in light of e.g. (Samson 2011):
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Same aplies on the smaller scale: "rich and famous" are going to sit in their A/C towers, or move to their other properties, while poors and vulnerables are going to suffer. Example: recent cases of suicide in flooded Thailand. Rich people do not react like that.
The Middle East is the exact antithesis, however. Interesting maps.....
..well, maybe not exactly: nah, good maps actually- I hereby stand corrected!
The Bible does address climate change. Check the Revelation for one. It will get wose. :)
D Murray @6, I assume you had in mind Revelation 16: 8-9, however nobody other than the author (whether you take that to be a natural or supernatural entity) knew (or knows) the correct interpretation of Revelation. Its language is sufficiently fantastical to act as a rorschach test of anybodies predelictions. I would not cite it as evidence of anything (beyond John's apprehension of persecution, and hope of deliverance in the late first century AD).
[PS] While this topic lends itself to religious discussion, I would ask commentators to keep discussions focussed directly on topic and especially to find somewhere for any discussions about veracity of the bible etc.
In the subtitles:
"Our first clue came from the poles" should be "Our first clue came from the polls". (1:15)
"Thousands of gages..." should be "Thousands of gauges...". (2:54) For what it is worth, a gage is a glove thrown down to indicate a challenge to knightly combat, or more figureatively, a pledge of good faith.
Katherine Hayhoe's definition of Evangelicals as "People who take the Bible seriously" is self serving, and condescending. Catholics, I am sure, think they also take the Bible seriously, as no doubt would Orthodox Christians. Certainly, so also would charismatics (a different distinction that overlaps with other groups). It is also, if intended to mean they take the Bible at face value, false; as is shown by the overwhelming support of Trump by white Evangelicals, or more directly by their support of institutions dependent on the charging of interest (contrary to the Biblical prohibition). (1:11)
The main point, ie, that Christians, to be faithful must oppose climate change as a consequence of the love they are enjoined to practise, is exactly right.
Tom Curtis @7. That depends. The Bible as a historic text is irrefutably accurate. But prophecies are in some cases warnings to change behavior, others are made as defintie and certain outcomes, even if we do not know exactly what they mean. How they are fulfilled is also a mystery. But, many a biblical scholar concur with certain meanings, interpretations and the context.The same for those verses follwing 16:8-9. They actually are pretty clear though. Not only can the author understand some of the things he reveals, but others may understand as well. Afterall, "we see now as looking into a mirror darkly..." (See Daniel 12 and Hosea)
William @2. You actually are correct. The backup generators do run out of fuel after a while. They may prolong their suffering, but the rich are warned about being too comfortable.
I did not intend for this to be a test here. I only meant that some should take the apocalyptic judgments to mean that things would get worse. Climate Crises Theory does the same. Whether one can turn that around and avoid such judgments is unknown. In the case of climate change, we do not really know how much is manmade or what else contributes to it. We can adapt though.
Tom Curtis @8. All Christians do not oppose climate change as a matter of faith. Their faith is put in God. Unfortunately, many a conservative- and many are Christian- believe that there is a movement toward embracing a false world governance in some form and, therefore, a false prophet or false world leader. If you can understand this, then you will understand their fears. Being a Christian who believes in a prophetic event does not lead one to ignore doing right, which could be opposing anything that seems to oppose God. Talk by politicians and the UN to create a world tax and give them power to enforce world laws on climate and environment are to be avoided by Christians in particular who view this as helping to usher in the ungodly dominance of the world.
As David Orr wrote, he believed that religion could play a big part in helping to resolve climate problens. Afterall, man was designated as stewards of creation. That supposes a great responsibility to do good toward it. Find common ground with Christians, and some other religions, and you can move the world to a better place. Attack and scare them by thinking you are so smart as to know the answer and push it on them, you will accomplish little.
[PS] Please take this discussion elsewhere. "The Bible as a historic text is irrefutably accurate." is simply an inflammatory slogan on a science blog.