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Skeptical Science New Research for Week #27, 2019
Posted on 9 July 2019 by SkS-Team
43 articles this week. Summer slowdown?
The top pick for "extended implications" seems to be The Role of the Tropically Excited Arctic Warming Mechanism on the Warm Arctic Cold Continent Surface Air Temperature Trend Pattern.
Another humdinger: The polycentricity of climate policy blockage
Other articles:
Policy and human cognition meet climate change:
Beyond Technical Fixes: climate solutions and the great derangement
Seasonal injection strategies for stratospheric aerosol geoengineering
Potential energy and climate benefits of super-cool materials as a rooftop strategy
The polycentricity of climate policy blockage
The provision and utility of earth science to decision-makers: synthesis and key findings
Optimizing dynamics of integrated food–energy–water systems under the risk of climate change
Planning for the past: Local temporality and the construction of denial in climate change adaptation
Biological systems and climate change:
Opportunities for behavioral rescue under rapid environmental change
Thermal stress induces persistently altered coral reef fish assemblages
Climate Change Trends and Impacts on Vegetation Greening over the Tibetan Plateau
Varying temperature sensitivity of bud-burst date at different temperature conditions
Physical science of climate change:
Organic carbon pools in the subsea permafrost domain since the Last Glacial Maximum
Climate change and regional ocean water mass disappearance: Case of the Black Sea
Last Millennium Reanalysis with an expanded proxy database and seasonal proxy modeling
What was the source of the atmospheric CO2 increase during the Holocene?
Surprising similarities in model and observational aerosol radiative forcing estimates
Characteristics of summer heat stress in China during 1979?2014: climatology and long-term trends
The CO 2 -induced sensible heat changes over the Tibetan Plateau from November to April
Polar low variability and future projections for the Nordic and Barents Seas
Assessing changes in risk of amplified planetary waves in a warming world
Processes determining heat waves across different European climates
Radiation and energy balance dynamics over a rapidly receding glacier in the central Himalaya
The previous collection of articles may be found here.
Why do you call your self skeptical science when you are not skeptical att all, just trying to find argument to support your opinion?
Every educated in all relevant disciplines know that the CO2-threat is scientific rejected, in this 2,6 million long ice age.
The interglacial before was 2,5 C warmer globally and 8 C for 6000 years on Greenland with just positive effects on life.
Desert are cooling, that´s why it was 2 C warmer global early in this interglacial with 6 C warmer climate on Svalbard.
If there was an increased greenhouse effect as result of higher level CO2 than 300 ppm it would give a signal in 15 µm where no other greenhouse gases act and the level of CO2 shift between region and seasons.
Skeptical science, my ass.
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Gunnar Littmarck, yeah well a warmer greenland would be nice for growing some forests and crops there, but what about sea level rise as it melts, and what about a warmer tropical zone? Of course looking at the big picture does require a certain level of thinking.
Some other research with full text available for free: The influence of social dominance orientation and right-wing authoritarianism on environmentalism: A five-year cross-lagged analysis.
The new research referenced above on Greening on the Tibetan Plateau says that "The major significant greening trend of the TP was mainly caused by climate factors." ... and then goes on to talk about warming on the TP.
Has the "CO2 is a poison" parade become so embedded into climate change science that geologists and general scientists have forgotten 4th grade biology class?
Let me get this straight. CO2 causes warming. And it's warming increases plant growth. And associates that accept this research actually want intelligent skeptics that embrace the scientific method to believe what they say?
NASA has it right. But even they have to down play the obvious with qualifiers. At least this site allows scientific discussion without fear of reprisal. For the NASA study ...
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
I hope that we can all agree the CO2 between the 500 and 2000 level is beneficial to a wide range of common flora. Two reasons:
1) The three requirements of most flora life are sun, water, and CO2.
2) As CO2 levels increase, the pores/system that take in CO2 become more efficient, which results in (a) an increase in photosynthetic rate, (b) a decrase loss of water vapor from inside the plant out those same pores (called transpiration) ... allowing plants to grow faster, produce more photosynthesizing green leaf matter, be more draught tolerant, and healthier (more tolerant to disease and insects).
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Climate change is a critical science. We need to understand how humans impact our home.
But, it's my opinion (don't know it it's allowed) that the movement to get funding from governments will backfire and die a premature death because they have chosen CO2 as the enemy.
1) The long historical record does not support that
... CO2 is a leading indicator of temperature change (the opposite can be shown)
... As CO2 levels increase, that heating rates increase (the correlation is extremely low).
2) Recent records (120 years) does not support that the accelerating rate of CO2 increases and absolute highs are causing accelerating rates of heating (which it should if the science was correct).
3) Before long, it will be clear to the general public that the earth is greening dispite what dismissive climate scientists say about the minor affect to no effect that CO2 will have on crop and plant growth (they are digging a deaper hole). Earth greening contains the word green. That will be difficult to villify.
The movement chose the wrong enemy. They should intead embrace fossile fuels that increase CO2 (lessens poverty) but warn against warming oceans and the decreasing pH of the oceans and what that might do to organisms that rely on the basic pH of the ocean.
Governments need to understand the trade between a more efficient agriculture and damage to the seacoast. That is worth big $$$ in research. It's also real and won't backfire.
Just my opinion.
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Wffranz,
Gish gallop of nonsense, contradictions, demonstably false statements that in no way represent the state of the science, pitiful attempts at appearing concerned. I'm not impressed.
Wffrantz... Even your #1 is grossly oversimplified and insufficient. Plant life requires a vast number of things beyond sun, water and CO2 to survive. Example: you can't plant a redwood tree in the middle of the ocean.
All life on this planet is evolved to fit the environment in which it exists. When you change the conditions too rapidly (within a few generations) those life forms struggle and may die out.
As stated by the moderator, all the points you're posting have been addressed in the scientific research and explanations can be found on this site. As usual, I don't expect you'll take the time to learn what the science actually says, but if you are that unique individual who is open to learning more, I wish you the best. Climate science is a very large and complex topic. You have to work extra hard to get a full grasp of the issue.